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Jafo Entertainment & News, Inc. - Joke Corporation
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The galaxy's premiere independent news source!


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Absolutely LOVE the guy. Great add to rp and on what depend of us, he shall have free passage to our space and ships and we would commit to escort him if needed while adventuring into hostile territory in search hot news Very Happy

Unless, he is against it, I'm more then welcome to set him as allied.
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ROFL have you read some of his press releases? Guy's fun and very creative. Thumbs up from me.
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PostSubject: Re: The Crimson Empire x Jafo Entertainment & News, Inc.   The Crimson Empire x Jafo Entertainment & News, Inc. Icon_minitimeFri Oct 17, 2008 12:59 pm

I'm glad to see that the Crimson Empire likes its news hot.

On behalf of Mr. Jafo, I would like to applaud your decision here to support the free and independent press of the Milky Way. The JENI staff is very excited by the prospects of keeping our flying death traps air tight -- Mr. Jafo pays us in oxygen, and no one here wants to lose their savings.

Don't think of this as charity, though. Not that we don't love charity (please donate to the Jafo Foundation for the Procurement and Enjoyment of Noontime Intercourse Services). Instead, think of this as ensuring that events surrounding the Crimson Empire are reported in a timely and accurate manner. Plus, it saves me from having to rack my brain and just make stuff up about you Razz
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Kichae wrote:
I'm glad to see that the Crimson Empire likes its news hot.

On behalf of Mr. Jafo, I would like to applaud your decision here to support the free and independent press of the Milky Way. The JENI staff is very excited by the prospects of keeping our flying death traps air tight -- Mr. Jafo pays us in oxygen, and no one here wants to lose their savings.

Don't think of this as charity, though. Not that we don't love charity (please donate to the Jafo Foundation for the Procurement and Enjoyment of Noontime Intercourse Services). Instead, think of this as ensuring that events surrounding the Crimson Empire are reported in a timely and accurate manner. Plus, it saves me from having to rack my brain and just make stuff up about you Razz


Top quality role play and entertainment. Welcome to our forums and you have a fan here Very Happy

Mooooore News!
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Peter Hirsh wrote:
ROFL have you read some of his press releases? Guy's fun and very creative. Thumbs up from me.

where?
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Kichae wrote:
I'm glad to see that the Crimson Empire likes its news hot.

Does that mean I can set him on fire when he delivers news?
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J.T.J wrote:
Kichae wrote:
I'm glad to see that the Crimson Empire likes its news hot.

Does that mean I can set him on fire when he delivers news?

Or set him on fire when he produces the news?


All so subjective... Laughing


Jokes apart, Jafo is set as blue to Crimson Empire.

Welcome Kishae.
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Parfum Exotiqué wrote:
where?
http://www.jeni-online.com/

Revan Neferis wrote:
J.T.J wrote:
Kichae wrote:
I'm glad to see that the Crimson Empire likes its news hot.

Does that mean I can set him on fire when he delivers news?

Or set him on fire when he produces the news?


All so subjective... Laughing



Just don't set me on fire before lunch. I'd at least like to go out on a full stomach.
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Not impressed tbh. The news about Axis and us , although humorous is clearly biased. More then half of the text is about Axis people giving their shots while I don't see any third parties or officers of the Empire having the same amount of space.

It's a one side joke.
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Parfum Exotiqué wrote:
Not impressed tbh. The news about Axis and us , although humorous is clearly biased. More then half of the text is about Axis people giving their shots while I don't see any third parties or officers of the Empire having the same amount of space.

It's a one side joke.

Besides Axis guy couldn't even spell "Ridiculous" Laughing

News was silly, kind of teenager level of humour though. I expected something brighter from the guy, considering that the public isn't teen aged.
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Peter Hirsh wrote:
teenager level of humour though

Yes, I agree. But maybe that's his line of work. I felt a little of God moding there which is the first rule of tome to not use it when role playing or portraying third parts. His reference about the dinner set for example, has nothing to do with the sort of role play we do, therefore not realistic in the context itself. He also made sure to overstate Axis inc and Axis supporters opinions and as Loraine said, didn't do the same from Crimson side, which left the supposed rp lacking in content too.
I believe that the fault pax here is that he treated alliance politics and war news with same input as he do joke news. Which is the wrong input.

Let's see if the next gets better. He's a promising talent to rp and I'd like to see more of his work when dealing with alliances and politics before setting an opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: The Crimson Empire x Jafo Entertainment & News, Inc.   The Crimson Empire x Jafo Entertainment & News, Inc. Icon_minitimeSun Oct 19, 2008 10:40 am

If I may...

The article contained equal portions of 'real' news in the form of direct quotes from both parties:

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"The Crimson Empire has a dogma and established set of rules regarding politics and faith," says Revan Neferis, fickle firebrand and Sovereign of the Crimson Empire. "We do not believe in their concept (of neutrality).

"What we believe is that they shall deserve war!"

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"The current tensions are primarily due to a massive overreaction on their part," says Axis Inc. pilot, Daemar. "They are obviously people of extremes and their reaction shows them to be compulsive and irrational."

That's it as far as real news goes, and it's pretty uninteresting. "Two player factions had a disagreement and are now hostile with each other" isn't going to stop the presses. The rest is pretty much all fiction in Kichae's style about a humorous and harmlessly absurd fictional situation inspired by 'real' news, and I didn't see it as biased or derogatory to either party.

The dinner thing has nothing to do with your style of hardcore non-humorous roleplay, but not only can you not expect him to write to cater for the roleplay style of everyone he reports about (especially when many don't have a roleplay style), but you can't expect readers of his site to enjoy it if it's not funny or a little bit absurd. The reason people are frequenting his site is for his style and humour, not to see your roleplay, if you want to entertain people with your roleplay you can (and you do already) write and publish your own stories.

Also I don't consider JENI's kind of fictional absurdity to be teenage level humour, like I don't consider Catch 22 or Monty Python to be teenage level humour.
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Irashi wrote:
If I may...

The article contained equal portions of 'real' news in the form of direct quotes from both parties:

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"The Crimson Empire has a dogma and established set of rules regarding politics and faith," says Revan Neferis, fickle firebrand and Sovereign of the Crimson Empire. "We do not believe in their concept (of neutrality).

"What we believe is that they shall deserve war!"

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"The current tensions are primarily due to a massive overreaction on their part," says Axis Inc. pilot, Daemar. "They are obviously people of extremes and their reaction shows them to be compulsive and irrational."

That's it as far as real news goes, and it's pretty uninteresting. "Two player factions had a disagreement and are now hostile with each other" isn't going to stop the presses. The rest is pretty much all fiction in Kichae's style about a humorous and harmlessly absurd fictional situation inspired by 'real' news, and I didn't see it as biased or derogatory to either party.

The dinner thing has nothing to do with your style of hardcore non-humorous roleplay, but not only can you not expect him to write to cater for the roleplay style of everyone he reports about (especially when many don't have a roleplay style), but you can't expect readers of his site to enjoy it if it's not funny or a little bit absurd. The reason people are frequenting his site is for his style and humour, not to see your roleplay, if you want to entertain people with your roleplay you can (and you do already) write and publish your own stories.

Also I don't consider JENI's kind of fictional absurdity to be teenage level humour, like I don't consider Catch 22 or Monty Python to be teenage level humour.


Uninteresting because it was badly written. He didn't put the same effort on it as he did with many other joke news. That's what the guys and girls are speaking about and I agree with them.
Teenager audience hit. That's exactly what it was. How old are you Irashi? And shove the crap with comparing with Monty Python, nothing to do with what he did there.

" The rest is pretty much all fiction in Kichae's style about a humorous and harmlessly absurd fictional situation inspired by 'real' news, and I didn't see it as biased or derogatory to either party. "

I don't consider it either. To me it was just "blah" no sugar, no salt. And that's my only opinion about it. Biased because the whole thing is about Axis supporter said that, Axis tattoo on the shoulder said that, Axis member said that... I mean DUH.... it's like hanging on the balls.
But somehow I have to agree on why he did that. I think Axis is much more of a joke alliance then we are, so it's understandable that he would seek Axis to fill the comedy show.


"The dinner thing has nothing to do with your style of hardcore non-humorous roleplay"

How would you know that pal? That said, I believe that Lady Revan simply stated that if we had set a dinner stage for this role play, it would have been crimson empire style, which he totally missed it. A fanatic religion role play have even their rituals for food and receptions as such. He just put something plain and dull that has nothing to do with any role play we involve ourselves with.

I'll say about this that in every mmorpg there is the free press that sticks to neutral stance and bring the concept of actually reporting the various role play styles, and others which becomes sensationalist like paparazzi shit kind that goes around inventing stuff for comedy value.
I will continue reading the guy's work, but I hope he'll improve the quality of research to bring to the people the real feeling of what each alliance will play and provide.
I don't mind reading humorous stuff, but humorous stuff lacking essence is another matter.
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what's humorous about the news? Or is it just me missing the point?
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I'm 23 since you asked, but age has little to do with what people will be entertained by.

M Levian wrote:

"The dinner thing has nothing to do with your style of hardcore non-humorous roleplay"

How would you know that pal?
Because Revan said it wasn't. "The dinner thing" being the entire dinner scenario depicted in the article. I acknowledge that if you were roleplaying a dinner situation it would be different, what I'm saying is that to ask Kichae to write an article that is consistent with your roleplay style, while keeping the regular non-roleplaying audience entertained with the regular JENI absurdity, without directly taking the piss out of you or anyone else to get the laughs, and reporting the facts in the process, is really asking quite a lot.

To be honest I really don't get the whole roleplay thing, I can't write any kind of fiction let alone think of motivations for a character in a game. I really can't see what you're all so upset about because I found the article entertaining, especially considering that this is the first 'real' news that his site has reported with the rest being entirely fictitious.

Anyway, I don't really want to get into an argument over it especially as it's technically none of my business, maybe you'll like the next one better.
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Irashi wrote:
To be honest I really don't get the whole roleplay thing, I can't write any kind of fiction let alone think of motivations for a character in a game. I really can't see what you're all so upset about because I found the article entertaining, especially considering that this is the first 'real' news that his site has reported with the rest being entirely fictitious.

Anyway, I don't really want to get into an argument over it especially as it's technically none of my business, maybe you'll like the next one better.

I don't see people here stating that they're upset Irashi. I see people stating that they disliked the style of the article and I believe that as we were responsible for 50% of it's content, it's reasonable that people here knowing at core heart our role play, puts constructive criticisms. Perhaps it will even benefit Kichae on knowing more about the subject he writes in a near future.
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M Levian wrote:
Uninteresting because it was badly written. He didn't put the same effort on it as he did with many other joke news. That's what the guys and girls are speaking about and I agree with them.

I'm willing to take a lot of criticism over the Cold Cuts article as it's the first one I've written about events involving real people. Everything else I've written under the JENI banner has been completely disconnected from the player base and the hypothetical game world. This has given me a lot of freedom to introduce Futurama style references to sci-fi (Reaver Fever), modern day analogy and word play (Holowood), easter egg references (Skokie Station), etc, but it's also left me writing articles that are by and large disconnected from the reading audience.

Introducing real people and events is very binding. You lose the kind of freedom that you have when you just make characters up. As I write comedy, and writing comedy about people can often times strike a nerve, there's a much finer wire to balance on. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to enjoy the outcome 100% of the time, but that's an unintended consequence.

If you have valid criticisms or concerns, I would love to hear them. I can already see that a number of people are a little disappointed that I didn't maintain a numbers balance. I think that's fair, and I'll take that into consideration in the future. But to tell me that I didn't put enough effort into it? There's nothing constructive there, sir.

If anyone here feels that I was unfair, I invite them to write an op/ed. I will happily publish it. If anyone feels that I got some details incorrect, let me know and I'll publish a retraction. I'm always looking for little details like that to improve the JENI website. I'll even pay for contributions once the game goes live.

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I don't consider it either. To me it was just "blah" no sugar, no salt. And that's my only opinion about it. Biased because the whole thing is about Axis supporter said that, Axis tattoo on the shoulder said that, Axis member said that... I mean DUH.... it's like hanging on the balls.
But somehow I have to agree on why he did that. I think Axis is much more of a joke alliance then we are, so it's understandable that he would seek Axis to fill the comedy show.

If it's understandable that I would put more focus on Axis, for whatever reason, why the complaint?

I've had several discussions with Revan now to get a feeling for both her character and the character of the Crimson Empire as its own entity. I tried to run with that while setting the stage for the article. Revan painted a picture of controlled chaos; madness with method to it. Something dark and nefarious, while at the same time self righteous and passionate. I thought the idea of an invitation to dinner and discussion written on salted human flesh conveyed that while at the same time shooting for a laugh.

The article itself contains two Axis supporters, Daemar and Mr. Shadowy. Daemar's comments were taken out of context, since he was commenting on the reaction to Chukada's comments here, not to the state of the dessert tray. Mr. Shadowy is fictional.

Revan is quoted twice, once in context, and once out of context. She's the only member of the CE I spoke with. She was a great sport in answering my questions, and the rest of the interview will not go to waste.

There is also a third person I interviewed, not associated with either group. He had a great line about being thrown from the third story window, and he was complimentary toward the CE. 2-1-1 isn't as unbalanced as some have tried to make it seem.


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I'll say about this that in every mmorpg there is the free press that sticks to neutral stance and bring the concept of actually reporting the various role play styles, and others which becomes sensationalist like paparazzi shit kind that goes around inventing stuff for comedy value.
I will continue reading the guy's work, but I hope he'll improve the quality of research to bring to the people the real feeling of what each alliance will play and provide.

Sorry, but I fall into the "sensationalist like paparazzi shit" category. In fact, plans have been in the books for months now to introduce the Interstellar Enquirer, which should give you an idea as to the kind of influences JENI has.

It's not for everyone, I know, and I respect that. And if you'd like to see something different grace the pages of JENI, well, as I've already said, you can be that difference, and I'll pay you for it to boot.
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Hello Kichae. My name is Ludvig, I'm a Professor History and Archaeology at a German University and did my share with literature a while ago. I practice Role play for at least 12 years as a method of learning to my students and although English is not my strongest language, I'll have a few words for you if you'll have them as positive.

Kichae wrote:
I'm willing to take a lot of criticism over the Cold Cuts article as it's the first one I've written about events involving real people. Everything else I've written under the JENI banner has been completely disconnected from the player base and the hypothetical game world.

If I'm not mistaken, our fair Lady Neferis has spoken about this. There is a procedural code of etiquette we can say, that role players abides in order to not invade or enter other people's characterization domain.

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Introducing real people and events is very binding. You lose the kind of freedom that you have when you just make characters up. As I write comedy, and writing comedy about people can often times strike a nerve, there's a much finer wire to balance on. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to enjoy the outcome 100% of the time, but that's an unintended consequence.

The key here is you being able to find humour within the realms that people choose to play their characters. For example, you could choose to create a humour with something you imagined ( which most likely would make people get cold eyes) or your could find the humoristic side with real facts about that character. That would make your articles not only fun to read but also interesting because they'd be informative.

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If you have valid criticisms or concerns, I would love to hear them. I can already see that a number of people are a little disappointed that I didn't maintain a numbers balance. I think that's fair, and I'll take that into consideration in the future. But to tell me that I didn't put enough effort into it? There's nothing constructive there, sir.

For my angle, I see that Marcus was saying that you didn't seek players from Crimson Empire, specially the ones involved with it to understand the matter at hand. I also perceive that you didn't mention the reason why hostilities began which was the Axis Diplomat committing a blunt political faux pas ( A social blunder ) leading to war decision. The news missed it's focus point to reality.

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If anyone here feels that I was unfair, I invite them to write an op/ed. I will happily publish it. If anyone feels that I got some details incorrect, let me know and I'll publish a retraction. I'm always looking for little details like that to improve the JENI website. I'll even pay for contributions once the game goes live.

I don't see anyone here saying that it was unfair. I see people saying that it could be much better and so biased.



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If it's understandable that I would put more focus on Axis, for whatever reason, why the complaint?

If posting his opinions on his own forums now is called complain, I'm suddenly unaware of the new definition. The Crimson Empire has a very polite way to operate, so much that we are taking this discussion here , and not at infinity forums. You could re-think your question Sir, and see if that is really necessary.
A complaint is when the party takes an issue to a third party to mediate and solve or to the person involved. As I see, none was done.

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I've had several discussions with Revan now to get a feeling for both her character and the character of the Crimson Empire as its own entity. I tried to run with that while setting the stage for the article. Revan painted a picture of controlled chaos; madness with method to it. Something dark and nefarious, while at the same time self righteous and passionate. I thought the idea of an invitation to dinner and discussion written on salted human flesh conveyed that while at the same time shooting for a laugh.

I won't try to speak for Revan, but knowing her as much as I do, and less then many other here who knows her for several years, I can risk to say that she wouldn't have advised the article published the way it was. As I believe that you have sent the drafts for all parts involved to revise before publishing it ( the very normal procedure when writing about other people's character) I'll abstain to comment further and leave Revan to her own words. From what I know, the Crimson Empire wouldn't portray itself as such.

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The article itself contains two Axis supporters, Daemar and Mr. Shadowy. Daemar's comments were taken out of context, since he was commenting on the reaction to Chukada's comments here, not to the state of the dessert tray. Mr. Shadowy is fictional.
Revan is quoted twice, once in context, and once out of context. She's the only member of the CE I spoke with.

My doubt still remain, why did you choose to interview people that had nothing to do with the discussion instead of the people involved? And why did you choose to not expose the main reason?

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She was a great sport in answering my questions, and the rest of the interview will not go to waste.

Stephanie is a great role player, an amazing friend and very dear to us all. Explore her, drain her and she'll give you the best of what that Character and the Empire can produce. That dinner of yours was very pale in comparison to what she could have given you, if you have discussed the idea with her.

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There is also a third person I interviewed, not associated with either group. He had a great line about being thrown from the third story window, and he was complimentary toward the CE. 2-1-1 isn't as unbalanced as some have tried to make it seem.

That was the best part and closest to what would have happened in reality with a person trying to even approach such scene. A shame that his opinion couldn't be taken as valid because it was understood that he didn't see the real scene.


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Sorry, but I fall into the "sensationalist like paparazzi shit" category. In fact, plans have been in the books for months now to introduce the Interstellar Enquirer, which should give you an idea as to the kind of influences JENI has.

It's not for everyone, I know, and I respect that. And if you'd like to see something different grace the pages of JENI, well, as I've already said, you can be that difference, and I'll pay you for it to boot.

I think that Marcus is trying to ask you if you're going to produce news as real news, taking in consideration facts and people, role play and styles when dealing with other people's avatars and stories, or if you're going to set a story in your mind and run with the joke style all the time. By paparazzi style I think that he meant sensationalist.


As a last comment, I think that I understand why people got a bit unsatisfied. It's because we take wars very seriously, of course "seriously" as much as a war inside a video game can be. We're focused to have Axis Inc as a target and start our game, no matter when, 1, 2 years, we have waited longer for other 2 mmorpgs and have killed alliances the same way. Maybe people were expecting a real feeling news, not a comedy.
I have the impression that even the Lady wasn't informed that this would be a joke news. As far as I can remember, we have never involved ourselves with comedy works because it's not the line of rp we represent.
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Well, Ludvig's post covered a good portion of the issues, so there isn't much to say.
To the questions posed, no, I wasn't told that it would be a joke or comical news. I don't blame anyone for my own ignorance in the matter, I simply didn't have time to read Kichae's articles and know his line of work before agreeing to the interviews.
And no, I haven't seen a draft before the news piece was available for public consumption.
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